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Post by mazhar on Jun 5, 2009 21:02:25 GMT 5
Dear Colleagues, STUDENTS' PATIENT WELFARE SOCIETY
ORGANIZES A CLINICAL SEMINAR ON "Blast Management Workshop" ON Tuesday, 09-June-2009, at K.E.M.U AUDITORIUM, KING EDWARD MEDICAL UNIVERSITY, LAHORE. The programme will start at 10:15am sharp followed by question answer session and refreshment. We request your kind presence. It will be a source of encouragement for our team. PROGRAMME: RECITATION FROM HOLY QURAN WELCOME ADDRESS: Dr. Khalid Jamil Patron S.P.W.S.
ADDRESS OF CHEIF GUEST: Professor Zafarullah Khan (Vice Chancellor K.E.M.U) SPEAKERS: Professor Dr.Arshad Cheema on "Management of Abdominal and Visceral Injuries" Professor Dr. Tariq Jamil on "Management of cranial And Spinal Cord Injuries" Professor Dr. Tariq Sohail on "Management of Limb injuries and Fractures" Dr. Khalid Jamil on "Rehabilitation of Disabled" VOTE OF THANKS: Syed Furqan Haider Sherazi President S.P.W.S For further information and Registeration please contact: Syed Furqan Haider Sherazi (President S.P.W.S) Contact # 0092-3335469160 email:furqansherazi@yahoo.com Ayaz Mehmood (Vice-President S.P.W.S) email:ayaz.taffer@yahoo.com Zahra Azeem (Executive member) M.Mazhar Rafique (Coordination Secretory S.P.W.S) email:csspws@yahoo.com
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Post by ibrar2win on Jun 6, 2009 10:30:54 GMT 5
AOA.
IT WILL BE A LONG SESSION FROM 10 AM TO 2 PM AS ANOUNCED . IN SUCH A LONG SESSION STUDENTS NO AT THE TIME OF LAST SPEAKER WILL GOT VERY THINER AND THE WHOLE SCENE LOOK VERY ODD. THERE SHOULD BE A RATHER A SHORTER SESSION.
M M IBRAR
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 6, 2009 21:05:32 GMT 5
AOA. IT WILL BE A LONG SESSION FROM 10 AM TO 2 PM AS ANOUNCED . IN SUCH A LONG SESSION STUDENTS NO AT THE TIME OF LAST SPEAKER WILL GOT VERY THINER AND THE WHOLE SCENE LOOK VERY ODD. THERE SHOULD BE A RATHER A SHORTER SESSION. M M IBRAR wasalam Ibrar, Good suggestion and the point isn't that irrelevant. But I think your suspicion doesn't carry that weight. The topic is so interesting and amazing that I hope students and doctors will stay there to listen and learn. Secondly, the lectures are pretty brief and comprehensive, only of 25 mins each followed by 5 mins of Question answer session.Thirdly, we didn't have auditorium available for 2 days(as per reservation for Mushaira on 8th and Trauma course on 10,11,12 june) then so I thought that the session should be completed in one day. Any how good work(shabash) coming to forum and discussing we would do it of two days inshallah next time. As the seminar has been delayed till after vacations as per early vacations this year
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 22, 2009 23:29:29 GMT 5
So lets talk about Blast Management Workshop. I want to know you ideas about Blast management Workshop. we have much time now.So suggest How can we improve it? How many lectures should be there? What should be its contents? Should it be one day or two days? what should be added? So common don't hesitate and float ideas.
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 23, 2009 23:07:36 GMT 5
I am very glad that you all came with very good suggestions First of all I ask avaiability of all classes for workshop.So that few tentative days can be cosidered according to tests, substages etc.
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 23, 2009 23:26:59 GMT 5
I am postin all the posts that should have been posted in this thread for ease of readers to read and discuss.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- n furqan bhai.... i thnk da wrkshop shud last 4 2 daz bt aftr uni time so dat classes rnt affected n plz 1 thng v imp! sinc 2nd yr s gonna hav many tsts n stage so plz discuss us befor finallizin da date..it shd b feasibl 4 all..
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i agree with iqra.i would like to add few things in that. If it cant be arranged after uni time , then please limit it to one day coz it wont be possible for all to come n stay there for long hours for 2 days. But at the same time , we have to keep one thing in mind , if its after university time,it may reduce ppl turn out aswell unless we make it cery attractive and useful.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- now coming to contents of workshop, all the topics which you mentioned are realted with surgery or allied( if i am not wrong). During MBBS , none of us performs a surgery and its mostly a theoretical knowledge which is taught to us. You start doing appendectomies duirng ur HJ (this is what i know) So as far as the practical implication of these topics is concerned , it wont be very useful for us specially for 1st,2nd year. Though knowledge wise , it would be great. I would like to add to Basic things in contents. One is suppose a patient comes wounded n bleeding , unconscious in emergency.What to do with him?where to refer him?How to diagnose whats problem with him with in instants? What are Dos and DOnts at that time. I think that would be more beneficial for all of us.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- moreover , we can add one more thing to contents and that is how to regain mental health and how to help patient to come out of trauma, coz he just survived death, and his dear ones might have lost their lives in same accident.So how to pacify him and lead back towards normal life.I think one psycholgist would do good on this topic (though i have firm belief that psychiatry is if not 100 % atleast 90 % is crap) but still as we have no alternative so we have to stick to it.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lastly, i would like to know if its possible or not.....coz i personally find it really difficult to implement it , that can we have some sort of practical training in workshop? as on dummies, like Rescuse 1122 gave training of how to perform CPR. We have now medical education department and i dont know if they have all such facilities or not.Firqan bhai would be knowing better.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and dont u think it would be more appropritae to call it Trauma managemnet workshop.we dont really manage blasts in hospital.......its the trauma which results from blasts Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think since KAPS is already doing Tshirts....we could come up with something new....as people hav suggested badges bands and stuff....
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i agree with anas on the idea of having blast management workshop after uni timings....for one day...i think more people would come in that way
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yea i agree vd ans in da respct ov practical stuff... n da imp thng is dat v hav to make it attractiv enuf to drag ppl...as far as psychological training s imp i thnk dat no special need 4 a psychologist... evry 1 shd b traind hw to pacify a person in trauma..
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ans...yea u r rite it shb b trauma managemnt wrk...
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« Reply #20 Today at 4:54pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- n ya m also thnkin dat it shd b ov 1 day aftr uni...
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 24, 2009 0:21:41 GMT 5
@ Anas You have pointed out very good things and reaised many Qiestions so I will answer all one by one now coming to contents of workshop, all the topics which you mentioned are realted with surgery or allied( if i am not wrong). As Trauma due to Blast Management is basically surgical in nature so subject is also surgical
During MBBS , none of us performs a surgery and its mostly a theoretical knowledge which is taught to us. You start doing appendectomies duirng ur HJ (this is what i know) So as far as the practical implication of these topics is concerned , it wont be very useful for us specially for 1st,2nd year. None of us does a medical thing either , Believe me most of the Final Years eevn don't know how to Measure B.P correctly.Things are learned when needed here but lets change the trend learn before the needs arrive so that we are prepared. They would be very helpful to all including First and second years. I would however request Speakers to make it easier to understand. And add more of photographs and videos if poosible.
I would like to add to Basic things in contents. One is suppose a patient comes wounded n bleeding , unconscious in emergency.What to do with him?where to refer him?How to diagnose whats problem with him with in instants? What are Dos and DOnts at that time. I think that would be more beneficial for all of us. these things will also be discussed under initial Management by a professor of Surgery.
lastly, i would like to know if its possible or not.....coz i personally find it really difficult to implement it , that can we have some sort of practical training in workshop? as on dummies, like Rescuse 1122 gave training of how to perform CPR. We have now medical education department and i dont know if they have all such facilities or not.Firqan bhai would be knowing better. Regarding being theoretical, don't worry SPWS will organize a good Training workshop with Rescue 1122 and it would be "ADVANCED CLINICAL LEARNING SKILLS WORKSHOP". I have talked to Director General 1122 and we will inshallah do this workshop. And as per my knowledge, The Department oif Medical Education is anewly established department and they don't have facilities of Dummies and training stuff.I would however tak again to Prof.Dr.Ashraf Sultan about this.
moreover , we can add one more thing to contents and that is how to regain mental health and how to help patient to come out of trauma, coz he just survived death, and his dear ones might have lost their lives in same accident.So how to pacify him and lead back towards normal life.I think one psycholgist would do good on this topic (though i have firm belief that psychiatry is if not 100 % atleast 90 % is crap) but still as we have no alternative so we have to stick to it. Actually each subject has its own importance. And adding a good Psychiatrist isn't a bad idea but that might prolong the workshop much which is aready lengthy. SO lets see if we can manage it.
and dont u think it would be more appropritae to call it Trauma managemnet workshop.we dont really manage blasts in hospital.......its the trauma which results from blasts WHATS IN NAME? said shakespear. Anas you are right we manage trauma and not blast but the Reasons for this name are. First, TRAUMA is a very broad and generalized term starting from a bruise to fatal injuries. and hence with the nature of trauma Management varies. And we are concerned only with mangement of trauma due to Blast. Secondly, NSW mayo hospital did a "Trauma course" under Prof.Dr.Arshad Cheema recently and would do it after vacations also. So it would seem mere repetition of name.I hope you got the point.
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 24, 2009 0:30:25 GMT 5
@ Iqra I have already asked all to tell their schedules and availabilities so that we can plan a date. The date will be finalized nad due consideration will be given to the schedule but I have to also see the availabilty of all classes and Availabilty of Speakers and Avaialabilty of Auditorium, Regarding doing it after university, It would be difficult fo speakers as all may be busy in clinics etc. And it will reduce the turn out and participation. any how lets see. Lectures will be of 20-25 mins each followed by 5 mins answer Question session.
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 24, 2009 0:36:54 GMT 5
@ Saad Yaar If you really think that it will increase participation then we can do "ADVANCED CLINICAL LEARNING SKILLS WORKSHOP" after university timings.but as I have mentioned above this time it may be difficult but I will try.
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Post by ans on Jun 24, 2009 9:30:55 GMT 5
@ furqan bhai thanx a lot for such a detailed reply. I think , now things are quite clear. Can you please tell me whats gonna be the format of "Advanced Clinical Skills workshop" and when is it likely to happen
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Post by iqraiqbal on Jun 24, 2009 20:35:40 GMT 5
ok aroite v l tell u our schedule as v l get it aftr vacation.... n ya i agree dat u hav to c all...u v a point.. v l ty to manage inshalah...! wel its arite in uni time... i v got ur poin!
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 24, 2009 22:46:52 GMT 5
@ Iqra and anas Thanks alot. I am very lucky that I have team like you and that you understand the problems. Please tell the schedule now so that we can decide the dates now. @ anas the format of ACLS is basically training skills and the detailed format will be decided after meeting with DG 1122.
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Post by Furqan Sherazi on Jun 24, 2009 23:04:01 GMT 5
So lets now come to the contents of Workshop. The topics which are discusses are: Professor of Surgery on "Management of Abdominal and Visceral Injuries" Professor of Neurosurgery on "Management of cranial And Spinal Cord Injuries" Professor of orthopedics on "Management of Limb injuries and Fractures" Rehabilitation Medicine consultant on "Rehabilitation of Disabled" Professor of Surgery on "Initial(Emergency) Management of Patient" Professor of Forensic Medicine on "Ballistics and Pattern of injuries" Professor of E.N.T on "Management and Injuries of Tympanic Memberane" Still few topics I have delibrately left. So lets now discuss if we wanna cover all above topics, we need a 2 days workshop.AN if it is to be done in one day,then above 4 topics will be done.What do you say? ?
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Post by iqraiqbal on Jun 25, 2009 20:23:54 GMT 5
well furqan bhai i thnk it depends on da duration like 4 how long is da wrkshop for 1 day! if thats sufficient...v can covr all da topicz n if nt thn 2 daz are required.bt covering all at da same day may tire da ppl n thy may strt loosin interest.... i knw u gav a statemnt abov dat its nt gonna bore da ppl cz its quite new n interesting...bt still time itslf tires thm..so v v lengthy schedule s nt favourabl...
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Post by iqraiqbal on Jun 25, 2009 20:26:57 GMT 5
well regarding da schedule... v hav our sbstage on 9th Jul most prbly!n 1 or 2 daz latr v r gonna hav our stage......so m v confuzd bout how i wud b able to handle.... n i knw as da time wl pass it wud b tougher....
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